May 12, 2020
A crazy topic, crazy discussion… but a fun one. The segment begins with me calling Adrian (SuspectSky)
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There are some types of corals that will spawn offspring. Some corals divide to make two mature adults. Perhaps jellyfish and corals have this in common.
Type in “Do Crocodiles/Alligators die of old age?” into the search menu.
What The F***…. dude I obviously just searched it… holy hell.
would’ve missed that question on trivia night.. that’s wild!
This makes me think of Dr. August Dunning’s book “The Phoenix Protocol” to allows us humans achieve functional immortality. I’m surprised Adrian did not bring it up.
Perhaps there is an upper limit on organism complexity and/ or an age ceiling between regeneration cycles at work in this phenomena? Partial regeneration of body parts occurs in zebra fish and salamanders and young humans who lose a fingertip (distal phalange) can regrow a fully functional new one as long as part of the nail-bed remains. Interesting stuff; Becker did a lot of work on Salamanders (The Body Electric is his book) and noticed a polarity change at the growing tip of the new limb.
As a cell biologist, I have come across the white mouse of cell biologists….HeLa cells.
These are cells from a cancer harvested over 50 years ago (From HElen LAne I think her name was).
The cell line is *still* alive because many cancer cells are immortal. They appear to be able to turn off the Cell Senescense that every cell appears to have.
These cells just continue to divide and appear to have no limit.
Physical immortality is one thing….but the mental part might be a bit more complicated.
With regard to carrying knowledge, (or identity, or ‘consciousness’) from an adult stage to a juvenile stage, I disagree that these would necessarily transfer in the transition. The adult entity is essentially becoming a “new” being, and the veil of past knowledge, while potentially present in the DNA, may not transfer to the “new” juvenile. I suppose this actually comes down to the age old question of WHAT is it that defines “us”. Is it our physical being (DNA) or is it a non-physical aspect of ourselves, namely, our consciousness. Consider reincarnation. Our bodies age and die, and our consciousness “learns” during the time it exists in this dimension. Then, that same consciousness which we know as “self”, exists in an alternate state, or dimension for a time, then merges with another physical being, to experience another lifetime in this dimension. Notwithstanding extraordinary circumstances, as we move back into this dimension, we do not recall the experiences (knowledge) we have had in past incarnations. If this concept is applied to the organism which you discussed, the juvenile, while having the same DNA (or identity) may NOT carry with it “memory” of it’s mature state of being. So what we are discussing is not “immortality” per say, but the continuation of a purported identical line of DNA.
Additionally, if the argument is that it’s knowledge is “carried” in the DNA, that would necessarily alter the DNA in some way, and when returning to the juvenile state, it could not carry those alterations. If it did, then the DNA would not remain “identical” across time.
Hi Adrian.
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If consciousness and memory exist in the form of an electromagnetic resonant standing wave structure, it’s frequency and energy emanating from the electrons the brain uses for nerve synapse flows, operating at the atomic scale?
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Then such a continuous renewal of a physical organism would possibly be able to maintain that structure, during and following the renewal process, indefinitely.
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If they even have any true wisdom, to begin with.
They show no signs of society within themselves or desires to grow.
Maybe, they’ve known about us all along and they’ve chosen the seafloor instead 😀
Or, perhaps, they’re serving a purpose in the chain of life we just can’t see from this perspective.
Late comment, but my bro is a neuro opthamologist, does research, surgery, etc, even looking at stem cells etc now. Discussed the regeneration issues with him, as he explained to me the issue is one of complexity of the species. So simple species, like a fish loses an eye, no problem – just grow one back. But our level of neurological complexity means that that this is much more difficult, and would impact us on an individual, personal level, such as loss of memories etc. Or put another way, the difference is how much the species runs mostly on instincts, compared to high level cognitive decision making. The former, doesnt matter is you regenerate, the latter…. not so much. I’m not convinced this is a complete explanation, books by Becker are big into electrical circuits in the body stimulating regeneration etc, and he notes that kids can regenerate small sections of the finger if left well alone. If they can, then why not adults? Why does a limb growing back, have to have such massive effects on the brain? Perhaps it is all biologically bundled together, but still…. or perhaps there is an evolutionary explanation in terms of resource consumption etc. Food for thought.